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Transcript – Episode 3

DATE : November 24, 2020 

DURATION: 19m 11s 





Hi everybody, I’m Dr. Gavin Scriven, people call me Dr. Gav, and with me is the founder of the non-surgical penis augmentation procedure we call Calibre, Dr. Jayson Oates. 


Thanks Dr. Gav, and together we are the dick doctors and we are going to be talking about all things penis. Our area of expertise is injectable penis augmentation. There’s a lot to talk about penises and together myself and Dr. Gavin will be doing that. There’s a lot to talk about, penises and together, myself and Dr. Gavin will be doing that. 


Welcome to The Penis Show, we’re here to just have a casual chat about some really interesting topics and questions surrounding the penis. But initially, Jayson I just wanted to ask you, why non-surgical penis augmentation? How did how did you create Calibre Clinic? Yeah just really would love to know. 


Thanks Dr Gav, Yeah so it’s an interesting sort of story that I just had a few guys saying to me, look, you’ve got all these things you can do for women. You know, you’ve got injections. You don’t have to have surgery anymore. Do you have anything for me? And I’m sort of saying, like what, anything to make my penis bigger? And so, it was sort of intriguing and with the ability to search online for scientific publications, I was able to find that the Koreans had been doing it for for a while. I tried to get in contact with the Koreans, but I never could quite get in contact with them. Then an Italian plastic surgeon published a paper with a video and I saw this video on paper and thought it’s clear that this doctor is a urologist, so he’s surgeon trained in bladder surgery, penis surgery, kidney surgery, but not in cosmetic injectables like like we are. I think that this procedure could be done a whole lot better. And so after several years of research and planning and especially trying to make sure that anything that we did was really, really safe because safety was the number one concern when doing something that is really so new, came up with a series of improvements and then just hunted around for guys to have it. I know it’s a bit strange going to your friends and stuff saying, look, can I inject lip filler into your penis, but eventually found enough guys and we went really slow. So, like, in the first 12 months, I did like three guys and just sat and waited to see what would happen. And no penises dropped off which was like the first criteria. 




And yeah, that’s good and they we’re really happy. And the interesting thing about it was I was expecting this to be a locker room procedure. It’s a confidence thing and that’s why our Logo about confidence is so important. Confidence is everything. And so I was expecting guys to be confident in the locker room, but then I had guys coming back and saying, and my wife really notices it, too. And so I hadn’t really expected expected that. And then the worry was that it wasn’t gonna last long enough, because when we put the filler in the lips, it may be gone in 12 months. And fortunately, over time the fillers had been getting better and better and then we were finding that in different places fillers last different times and fortunately for us in the Penis, it lasts much longer than that same filler would last night in the cheeks. And so we were getting guys who were lasting two or three years and even then not having it all disappear. So it was doing a good job, it was making a good increase, and we were talking about an increase in size. Obviously, you know, an inch is what I expect for your average sort of patient and a big strength, but the average penis is about nine and a half centimetres in circumference, so it’s about so big, when you increase it by an inch, it’s now that big. 


And difficult to imagine the increase when you’re just talking about centimetres or inches until you show someone.


Yeah and then they go, oh, OK, yes, that’s a difference. And obviously you’ve done hundreds and hundreds of these. So yeah guys were starting to find that this was a really worthwhile thing. And of course, the difficulty then was that nobody knew that it existed and that’s sort of I guess when you came in and we sort of, because I’m over here in Perth in Western Australia, and we couldn’t be more isolated, obviously now one of the most isolated places in the world. 




So guys we’re obviously recording this during coronavirus pandemic and Western Australia has its hard borders. So even if you wanted to come here from Sydney, you couldn’t. So yeah, then we wanted to bring it to Sydney and that’s how we got you involved. 


And look, when did all that process begin? Just how long ago when you started thinking about the procedure, researching, testing of your first clients? 


When I first had the idea was like 2010. 


Not long ago. 


Like a full decade now and then 2012, 2013, we sort of had the papers, done the research and the very first treatments were like January 2014. I think it was probably two years later before we got you sort of trained up in Sydney. 


Exactly, yeah. OK, so really I came along a good six years after the initial conception in your mind. 


Yeah and it wasn’t something we wanted to rush into, so my practice as you know, my original training is in facial plastic surgery. And so my work is face lifts, nose jobs and eyelids and Botox and fillers, and I’ve got a big practice here. And so this was really branching out and we were sort of thinking, you know, you could ruin a really good successful practice if you have one dick drop off. And so there was a big worry of how do you make it safe? How do you make it safe? You know, why aren’t people doing this procedure? Is it something that just doesn’t work? And so that’s why I introduced using a cannula. 


So usually, when we first started a decade ago when we were first injecting fillers, we were mostly using needles. 


Talking about the face, just needles straight into the face. 


So needles into the lips and into the cheeks and that sort of thing. And then maybe around a decade ago, we started getting Cannulas. So cannula is like a needle, as you know, but with a blunt sort of tip, you need to poke a hole in the skin to get under the skin and then the cannula slides underneath the skin very easily. And it has that advantage of the safety of not poking into blood vessels and nerves and things that you don’t want it to. And that was like really important. I didn’t want to be poking sharp needles around if we could avoid it so that we we didn’t poke into things that we that we didn’t want to. 




And fortunately, there’s that layer in the skin between the superficial and the deep fascia, the layers of structure in there where there’s a glide plain and that cannula runs very nicely, you can deposit the fill up and you don’t need to have a sharp needle to do it. 


Exactly. And with a lot of experience using cannula in the face, it’s a very similar kind of technique and feeling of doing the procedure in the penis, even though it’s at the opposite end of the body, it really is the similar skill, transferring that skill and understanding how it works in the penis. 


And that’s why I thought that we had sort of that advantage being cosmetic injectors as opposed to say, a urologist

who’s an expert in surgery in the area. But maybe you’ve never done a cosmetic injection, and so when I was looking for somebody to to train and expand Calibre into more areas, I was looking for somebody who’s a cosmetic physician, somebody who’s experienced in doing cosmetic injections like you. 


Yes. And I became your fellow dick doctor, as they call me. 


Yes. It’s funny how your career goes as. I never expected that dicks were going to be such a big part of my professional life. 


I’m sure you didn’t, a practice bursting with patients for facial aesthetics, facelifts, as you said, and coming from an ear, nose and throat background, which is a big change, big change. But how have you found that? So how have you found the process of now being involved in a completely different area with men when previously we were traditionally involved with doing a lot of work with women? 


Yeah, and so I was consulting a guy for Calibre, Calibre is the name that we we tend to use for the procedures as people learn, just this morning, and obviously for him, he’s never been anywhere and been talking about his penis with another man. And like, as you’re so familiar, you know, guys are so embarrassed, they are reticent to talk about all these things I want to say. And often then once they do start, you get this tumbling out of everything that they’ve thought about their penis for the last 20, 30 or more years. And yet when I started, I was nervous you know, I didn’t have a huge experience in handling other men’s penises and um, yeah, it was and now, of course, you just say drop your pants, you can grab it, It’s it’s another body part. And I guess what, guys, it is just another body part. But I guess the same sort of thing sort of goes if we’re happy to to do a nose job, to do a boob job or something. Is there any reason why it is just as reasonable to to do a penis augmentation? 


That’s right and I guess working with having created this new procedure and working with these guys, the reasoning behind it, surely it’s a very similar reason for all the other improvements that people are making in cosmetic medicine and aesthetic surgery. 


It is, it’s basically that same underlying sort of issue and has to do just with self-confidence and feeling comfortable in your body. And as you know, we’ve been working with psychologists and writing papers on this for for a long time now. And the psychologists, even the ones that we work with, sort of say, well nobody needs any form of cosmetic surgery and I say I totally agree with that, I’ve spent twenty five years of my life doing this and none of it is is necessary surgery. But people appreciate it, people like it, and as you’re so familiar, they come back to you and are so grateful for what you’ve done and they feel better in themselves. 


And that’s right. That’s the main thing. 


I’m sorry. 


That’s the main thing, they feel better. 


And even though so many other people don’t notice what it is and this is the same for especially face sort of things, you know, you know, you’ve had Botox, you’ve had some filler. Maybe it’s not if you’ve got a double D breasts when you had b cups before. But, you know, a lot of this thing, other people don’t notice, but people in themselves, they feel it and they feel more confident, they feel better about themselves and then they present. And for guys, this is the same thing that I’ve never been able to discuss it, they haven’t been able to talk about it to anybody, not even like people in their family, their partners, anything like this. And it’s this repressed concern and I get the feeling that that’s really bad for you if you’ve got a concern and you can at least discuss it with people, that can help improve it. But if you’re not even allowed to discuss it, then it becomes this issue and it’s always there. And I’m sure you get this story so many times. You get a guy who comes back, it’s a couple of months after it and they sort of telling you about how they feel more confident in everything, in their lives, in their business, in their social sort of interactions. And yeah, I didn’t expect that in 2014 when we when we first started doing this. 


One hundred percent. Yeah and I have to agree with you, I’ve had the same experience and I didn’t expect the that I didn’t expect guys to have to to make it make such a change in their lives the way that they felt in everyday life, even though no one else knew that they had the procedure done, they weren’t going out and putting their hand up and telling other people that I had the procedure done, but I felt different about themselves, they felt great and

that was a really nice thing to see, we’ve both been very surprised with the reaction from our clients, our customers saying how it made them feel a lot better within themselves, it’s a nice surprise, it was a really good surprise to get. So that that’s that’s been a bit of a revelation and it has been shown and also been reflected in some of the studies that Calibre Clinic has been conducting with yourself Jayson? 


Yeah, so that was the other thing, when I was researching this a decade ago, there have been a few papers published and then nothing, sort of silence. And so since then, I’ve published a number of of articles in the surgery journals and the two years we’ve been working with Curtin University doing a more in-depth look into the psychology of it and sort of preempting it a bit. But what surprised the psychologist was that the guys that we’re seeing normal everyday guys and their penises are normal, everyday penises, and they all want a moderate increase in size, you know, they’re not necessarily looking to be hung like a donkey or something, The only guys who would want to be like that are the guys who are on the big side to start with and you say you don’t need to do anything because that’s that’s a that’s a big dick. Yeah, and I bet I said the same thing to you, but bigger is always better. 




But that’s probably smaller than the majority of them. The study seems to be showing normal sized penises, they want to be just a bit on the bigger than average sort of size and when they are, they’re happy. And so that’s been that’s been encouraging, we’re just waiting to write that up and and get that published. But, yeah, that’s useful because that’s never been shown before. Nobody’s ever done a study like no one’s ever done a study like that. 


And I know that’s that’s fantastic. And it’s great to get some really objective data from what we’ve been doing now for many years. That’s been a really great insight into what’s quite a nice procedure, you’re a niche individual Doctor Jayson Oates and I’m glad that I met you in Serendipity 2016 I think it was and trained me up in this procedure and it’s been a success story I think ever since. And I’m really looking forward to talking more about penises, it’s a topic that we don’t get to discuss as males that much in the open, as you said and I have a general practice background and even my patients, my male patients don’t really talk to me much about the penis, because I think it’s just one of those things that guys don’t like to talk about, they may want to talk to their friends or their doctor or something about about their penis. But we’ve opened up that conversation and guys, once they decide they are comfortable talking to us about it, there’s a lot to say, so I’m really looking forward to doing a few more of these shows with you Jayson, to talk more about that and some of the findings we’ve made. And, you know, some of the things we’ve seen with the procedure, the things that work well, things that don’t even even topics such as erectile dysfunction, how that plays out, some of the psychology behind it and some of the types of patients we’ve seen and their experiences, so I’m really looking forward to it. 


Yeah, so much to talk about here and we’ll gradually get to cover everything in this sort of subject area. We’ll have some guest speakers coming in, people who are experts in their areas. And if people have questions that they want to ask us on topics that they want us to cover, then they can leave us a comment and then we’ll make sure that we can cover that as well. 


Beautiful. Excellent. Well, thanks so much, Jason. I hope you guys are holding up well in Perth. Don’t feel isolated. We’re just on the other end of a zoom call. 


Yes. Thanks, Dr. Gav, look, I look forward to speaking to you again soon. 


Ok, thanks Bye 


Catch you later. 

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